2011-01-27 Egypt isn't Tunisia and America thinks that there ought to be limits to democracy

Source: US urges reform in Egypt
Credits: AlJazeera English, Shihab Rattansi
Dated: 2011-01-27

Source: Mondoweiss
Credits: Philip Weiss
Dated: 2011-01-27

[ Emilie says : Bear in mind that while the vast majority of American "foreign aid" goes to Israel to allow them to maintain their wonderful socialist system, the second largest recipient is Egypt, which, since Camp David, has been paid to be nice to Israel. This may be coming to an end, as the repressive regime required to support this is beginning to explode under internal pressure. When it does, if previous experience with American supported ruthless dictators is any guide (See below*), the US will end up with limited or no power left to influence the inevitable wreckage that will follow. Some people never learn. ]

State Dep’t says democracy is OK for Tunisia but not Egypt because of Israel

Thanks to Pulse, here is a wonderful interview of State Dep't spokesman P.J. Crowley by Shihab Rattansi of Al Jazeera that shows why Obama talked about Tunisian democracy in the State of the Union but said nothing about democracy in Egypt. At about 5:40 Rattansi asks Crowley why the U.S. with all its leverage over Egypt doesn't pressure it to call off the dogs and let the society move toward democracy?

Says Crowley: "We respect what Egypt contributes to the region, it is a stabilizing force, it has made its own peace with Israel, and is pursuing normal relations with Israel, we think that's important, we think that's a model that the region should adopt broadly speaking. at the same time, we recognize that Egypt, Tunisia other countries do need to reform, they do need to respond to the needs of their people, and we encourage that reform and are contributing across the region to that reform."

Rattansi: [paraphrased] but if Egypt can't guarantee stability, what's the point of all your financial support.

Crowley: "We rely on Egypt as an ally to be a stabilizing force in the region... that has benefits across the region."

Rattansi: "Democracy would be destabilizing to the region generally, wouldn't it?"

Source: Antiwar.com
Credits: Jason Ditz
Dated: 2011-01-27

[ Emilie says : I predict that this will not last very long. As the USSR learned to its horror, when protest was orchestrated by fax machines, when you shut down the communications that you rely upon for government and business communications in an attempt to "maintain order", you do more damage to your ability to govern than the protestors can manage on their own. Today the Internet is such a critical communication tool that any society denied it wil fail. Given the number of mouths needed to be fed, Egypt cannot afford to fail. ]

All Internet Access Severed in Egypt as Crackdown Grows

First Social Media, Then Text Messaging, Now Egyptians Report Whole Internet Down

Early today access to Social Media outlets, including Facebook and Twitter, were reportedly cut off in Egypt. Not long after reports emerged of the SMS text messaging service for cell phones being blocked.

Now though, several outlets are reporting that the entire Internet is down for Egyptians, an apparent effort by President Hosni Mubarak to make coordination amongst the protesters more difficult ahead of massive rallies expected on Friday.

The Egyptian government seems to be moving far more broadly in its censorship and far quicker even than the Tunisian government, which saw its efforts to stifle dissent fail and, eventually, its president flee into exile.

President Mubarak has a stronger military though, and billions of dollars in annual donations from the Obama Administration which has come out vigorously against regime change in Egypt, saying the pro-democracy protesters should be content with promises of extremely minor reforms.

This has led Western analysts to guess that Mubarak’s regime probably will eventually prevail over the protesters, though the censorship of the entire Internet seems unlikely to anger protesters all the more, and meetings for Friday prayers will likely serve as a chance for Mubarak’s opponents to coordinate a response.


*Some 20th Century dictators America was for (sometimes before it was against them):

Abacha, General Sani Nigeria
Amin, Idi Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal Brunei
Botha, P.W. South Africa 
Branco, General Humberto Brazil
Cedras, Raoul Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek China (Mainland) - ROC
Cordova, Roberto Suazo Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel Liberia
Duvalier, Francois Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco Spain
Hitler, Adolf Germany
Hassan II Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano Hernandez El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel Panama
Ozal, Turgut Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza Iran
Papadopoulos, George Greece
Park Chung Hee South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto Chile
Pol Pot Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios Guatemala
Salassie, Halie Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. Nicaragua
Smith, Ian Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo Paraguay
Suharto, General Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed Pakistan
Hussein, Saddam Iraq